[Highlight] Officials do not adjust the clock despite a timeout appearing to be called slightly before 0.3 seconds
Genuinely what the fuck are we doing here
We have added challenges, we have added multiple camera angles, replays, these refs have every possible resource imaginable to get it right and somehow they’re still fucking up constantly
It is CONSTANT, I do not understand, they fuck up challenges, they fuck up reviews, they have every reason to not fuck up yet they continue to do so
I genuinely am out of answers, I just can’t understand how you can be so incompetent
the refs did like 5 manual reviews of shit in the last 2 minutes but just said fuck it and didnt bother checking the time left on the clock here. doesnt make any sense
Just constantly inconsistent and nonsensical
They called Tatum for a carry this game, players literally carry every single possession every single game yet they just randomly decide they want to call it like once every 5 games just to remind guys it’s still a rule
Just completely inconsistent and stupid
lol yeah the carry. yeah sure it is a carry, and its also something that happens literally every play of every NBA game. i gave up counting how many times it happened after they called it after like 9 straight possessions. the fact they can just call it whenever they feel like it with no consistency is so fucking stupid
That’s the problem, you can’t just go and call a carry when you feel like it
Either shut the fuck up and let it happen or take us back to the 60s and everyone can dribble like bob cousy again
I’d prefer they shut the fuck up about it personally
the refs tonight made like 10k each for officiating that game btw
How much did they earn on side bets? 🤔
That’s what made me so annoyed
Especially because it was called on the possession in between them calling us for an offensive foul and another one where we were called for an offensive foul
What Tatum did is almost never called and making the choice to call it in that moment is insane to me
That’s me everytime someone gets called for a lane violation on a free throw. Like what specifically did you see on that attempt that didn’t happen that last 38,000 free throws you saw.
Watching Franz Wagner dribble and then them calling a carry on someone else is so laughable
Wouldn’t go as far as to call it dribbling what he does.
It was so clearly fixed it’s laughable
yea forsure the nba definitely is rigging games for the orlando magic💪🏼
thats the craziest part ive never seen refs “fix” so many calls and yet they dont do something as extremely routine as fixing the shot clock
It’s an open secret the nba wants to extend series. This isn’t rocket science
And I bet a lot of people bet on the Celtics sweeping the magic… I wonder if draft kings would’ve preferred that not to happen. Just saying.
Yep, this is the right answer, even though there are a lot of people don’t want to believe it.
Follow the money, this is a business, not just a sport.
Gambling has no place in sports. Trump definitely took some bribes to make it legal again during his first term, and nobody ever talks about it. There’s really no reason for it except for greed.
I guess we’re still not ready for this conversation. Where do you guys think sports gambling came from? It just magically came back after like 100 years because we decided it was time?
Remember the ref who got banned back in 2007? Legal gambling wasn’t a thing yet but gambling always has a place in sports and it is a big business too.
It sucks, but this is the reality.
That doesn’t mean it has a place in sports, it means corrupt people are willing to do corrupt things even if it ruins the experience for the average person (why I say it has no place), which is not shocking.
It’s always been a thing, whether it was in Vegas or under the table.
Now we literally have ESPN and TNT offering prop bets at half-time and commercials during the game advertising gambling apps, and anybody with a phone and a bank account can go tap into it
This is the fucking craziest shit to me. How are we as fans letting this happen. Like I want to be like fucking boycott this shit but I can’t, I’m an addict. It’s like some abusive relationship. These refs keep hurting me but I keep coming back. Please send help, what do I do? Are there any shelters that can take me and my 9 children in? I can’t take this anymore.
If I performed like this at my job I would be fired
Don’t know why there arnt more ref fans out there cuz lemme tell ya I’m eating good on the daily
Crazy part of that the refs were worse in game 2. Nba is hard to watch sometimes
Agreed and thanks for the copypasta.
Rigged.
coach or player with ball has to call timeout
need a sky judge for everything
Every review needs to be done by a third party that’s watching from outside the stadium. Refs egos are way to big for them to admit fault
There needs to be people in a box reviewing every play not only to get it right, but so we don’t have to wait 4 minutes for the on-court refs to make some bonehead decision.
The answer is simple: Adam Silver is an NBA terrorist
The Table Never Loses
tablegate is the new meta.
Shout out to the Table
Couldn’t hold us back tho
I AM THE TABLE
table fans eating tn
Also took 0.3 seconds off the clock after the inadvertent whistle for some reason
That was honestly more bizarre to me. Disaster stretch from the refs.
The disaster stretch was about 48 minutes long by the refs tonight
Amen. Just fucking awful - and for both teams. Brutal to watch.
Legit one of worst games reffed all season
Off the top of my head it might be the worst one this season. Between the inconsistency in calls, the literal mistakes and the multiple questionable jump balls, idk what is worse
i know it’s already been mentioned but that phantom 8 second call is a strong contender for the worst live call i’ve ever seen. i get they overturned it but to even blow the whistle there shows how unqualified these guys are.
Did they call an 8 second violation???
He clear as day crossed half court, I thought they inexplicably called a backcourt violation despite Tatum clearly hitting the ball
yea they called it an 8 second violation, he crossed the half court so clearly you could see it from anywhere in that stadium. idk how the fuck they even thought to call that
Insane. I feel like they lost control of this series during game one and now they’re scrambling to reassert authority in the worst possible way.
Hilariously dumb considering it should’ve been a back court if there wasn’t a tip from boston
bro took two steps into the frontcourt and then the ball was obviously tipped lmao
It makes me not want to watch. This game was so poorly officiated that I was just bored at the end. The nba is lucky I like the Celtics so much because if I were a more casual fan, the constant confusion at the end of a game like this would probably be enough to lose me.
True
It’s bad enough having to watch the Orlando Magic…
Yes now you feel our pain for at least an additional game
Your third quarter was pretty much Magic Basketball but worse
Seems to be the theme this year…
I have no idea if the refs are getting worse or if we’re all just being more critical or if there’s just more clear camera angles or wtf is going on… but either way you slice it, it just sucks and really takes away from the game.
At this point I really don’t know what is or isn’t a foul on the NBA
This is the real issue in my opinion
The rules are written so vaguely that it leaves lots of room for interpretation.
Purposefully so, in my opinion, as it allows refs to manage the game better (ie call it more tightly when things get tense) and also makes it harder for fans to “prove” the refs got it wrong.
its genuinely hard to stay invested in games when ur just at the whims of whatever drugs the reffing crew took before the game.
Lol .. do you really think the refs don’t call the games how the “NBA” wants games called??
Honestly I go back and forth with that lol
Other than the Nuggets Clippers series the refs have been AWFUL this postseason
Nuggets and clippers naturally looks like a potential 7 game series. The others need some manufactured extensions
Not worth staying past 3am anymore
Refs doing refs things
Yeah from opening tip to closing whistle
Went from a 4.2 difference between game and shot clock to a 3.8
So why double down on the decision to not foul? The refs fucked up for Boston at the end but that was a really boneheaded call to not foul.
Because fouling likely puts you down 4 and the game is over because only 1 timeout left. Best chance was to hope to get the rebound faster and have enough time to get a shot off - even just .5 is enough to get a jumper off.
Really? You don’t understand the pros and cons of that decision? If they foul they risk putting it at a 2 possession game vs if they get a stop or a turnover, they guarantee a chance to win or tie…assuming there’s don’t fuck them with the clock.
It’s easy to say after the fact once you saw it was calling rebound and the refs let more time run off than they should. Would’ve looked really great if they got it with way like 1.5 or more seconds only needing to draw a foul or make a shot.
The magic are horrible at free throws
The only reason you can even argue it was boneheaded is because the refs missed almost half a second on the timeout and didn’t review. If they’re inbounding with .8ish left it’s unequivocally the right call
The Extender is proud of tonight’s crews
Don’t worry the L2M report will fix everything
THEY TAKE 20 MINUTES TO REVIEW THE CLOCK AT THE END OF EVERY CLOSE GAME WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT
Absolute garbage that they didn’t add time
AND TOOK SOME TIME OFF AFTER THE INADVERTENT WHISTLE
whole thing feels like a sick joke
Adam silver made the call to stretch the series
You’d think they’d want to at least give a second on the clock, just for a potentially great buzzer beater
Those refs were ass but so was KP playing like Gobert on offense. Gotta be better next game and not let it come down to the refs
Refs were terrible. However KP was also getting targeted on defense, be interesting to see if we continue to do that as the series goes on.
Franz would rather go at KP than Pritchard, is he normally that bad defending people at the rim?
*Maybe its more of a compliment to PP
It might be that PP is a more mobile and pesky defender and that he doesn’t fall for crossovers a lot, so he would force Wagner to shoot over.
Wagner is tall enough and mobile enough to get driving layups over and around KP.
PP also gets to grab and shove in a way that few others gets to
Admittedly, yeah. Guards do in general, in comparison to bigs. He just does it well.
KP is great at the rim, but kinda bad in motion backpedaling towards it.
KP is legit one of the top advanced stats rim defenders in the league- he was just all around bad tonight. Getting cooked on defense and putting up a disaster class on offense. He might need to get his head cut open again.
I agree, but the whole game had bad officiating. But also Hauser, kornet, KP, and Pritchard all played badly tbf
Add turnover king, JB to that
JB competing with JT for turnover king last night too for sure
KP Das BBQ chicken against Franz too. Have up some crunch time buckets
I think it might have been a typo but I choose to believe you typed “Das BBQ Chicken🇩🇪”
I’m keeping it. Franz cooked tonight.
It’s because they’re letting the series be super physical. They already allow people to be extra physical with Porzingis because of his size but now he’s just getting fucking mauled every game.
Yeah putting aside just how ass the refs were in that final minute, that was probably the worst KP game since he came back to form after his mystery disease.
Also bad games from Pritchard and Hauser, and despite the great shooting night from Tatum, an inexcusable amount of turnovers from the Jays.
KP is getting abused because they aren’t calling fouls
completely erased any chance of tying the game
In exchange, the officials/refs team got their play of the game
The ref was on some real work for both team this time
ref fans feasting tonight!
Someone needs to explain this one for me
I don’t know for sure, but my guess is the timeout isn’t technically called until the whistle is blown. The only thing they can review is that the clock stopped at the same time as the whistle.
Is this not the rule? I always thought it was called one a ref sees the signal, not the second anyone on the court does the hand motion.
Yeah, I think it is when the timeout is actually granted. When they pause it at 0.5 you can see the ref doesn’t appear to have lifted his arm to grant it. Dumb rule.
I don’t think it’s dumb. Do you really want refs reviewing every timeout to see exactly when possession was established and the two hands touch?
Clock stops when the timeout is granted (i.e. when the whistle blows). This clip actually proves that 0.3 was correct if anything.
I’m not commenting on this timing specifically but here’s something that people consistently to overlook that relates to this situation.
A timeout is not automatic/immediate. A timeout does not go into effect immediately when a coach or player makes a signal or verbalizes the word time out. A timeout is given when the referee can confirm possession of the correct team and that an eligible person is calling the timeout.
This is by design and needed human factor to prevent a number of issues. For instance, what if a coach calls timeout when his team doesn’t have the ball?
Or if a fan sitting courtside yells timeout and a ref assumes it’s the coach without looking?
Or if an assistant coach is trying to call time out (which is illegal)?
You need the ref to be able to confirm everything before awarding a timeout. Something like a button to push for a timeout would never work because of the establishing possession part. Are you going to have an official in charge of enabling/disabling the button depending on which team has possession at any given moment? Or have an individual buzzer connected to different refs? Or what if the button doesn’t work for some reason?
That’s all fine but when you review it and see they have possession and called for timeout before the whistle was blown shouldn’t that be more important than the referee’s reaction time after analyzing all of the variables?
I think I’d agree with that. They should put something concrete on the rules about it, unless it’s already there. That might open up some complications like the timeout was given to Tatum but Horford actually called it 0.3 seconds before that so should that be the correct timeout? Or Mazzulla was actually calling timeout 0.5 seconds before Tatum had possession, should that be a tech? Which I’d say no, that’s silly, but you’d want to avoid all that by putting in specific guidelines.
Also it would be great if they could review it in less than 20 minutes like they’ve been doing.
Yeah real shit there’s already a million rules about what can and can’t be reviewed. Just say that in the last 2 minutes the refs can review the exact time a timeout was called by a coach. Refs have too much to deal with, and there’s obviously a delay. Happened in the Knicks series too where they fully missed it last year iirc.
Problem is that you also have to establish who has possession. Which is where things get murky and imo kinda of why reviews can take a while, and that rule will also highlight that problem. There’s a lot of things you have to make assumptions on in order to establish something else. Clock can show that a timeout was called at 1.0 but if possession isn’t “clearly” (as best determined by the ref) established until .7 that’s gonna cause issues because people are gonna see the coach calling it at 1.
Right, that’s why the new rule should state that it’s NOT when the referee notices it, but is when BOTH a player or coach has made the symbol AND their team has possession
I mean they left at the exact time that they don’t count a jump shot. Whether it’s 1 second or .8 or .5 at least there’s nuance to what play they can run but at .3 you can only lob it to the rim
Yeah, the refs were ass but this is technically the correct call. Timeouts occur when the referee notices and grants it, NOT when the signal is made. So their review was right, even if the rule is silly. Other shit like that 8 seconds call, the carry, and the random officiating on both sides was much worse.
That backcourt violation helped Orlando. We were about to steal and dunk that bitch.
I was fuming that they called it at first as it clearly wasn’t an 8 second violation. Somehow helped us out
Refs had an absolute masterpiece of a game, pissing off both fanbases in turn and neutrals to boot
I’m basically never gonna say refs “decided” a game, but either team losing tonight could at least point to the bad reffing as a contributing factor or final straw because damn
Almost robbed you guys of your last possession and handed it to us then chose not to review the clock and let us have more than .3 seconds to try and score
Was this clock operator in Detroit last night, perchance?
As an Orlando Magic fan who watches most of the games all year, our clock operators are super incompetent. They mess up regularly. Not just for our opponents but also for us. I don’t know how they get the job but ours are terrible.
Neutral clock operators for playoffs so not our guys.
Didn’t know that. Thanks.
What y’all think, a second ?
I think 0.7 or 0.8 would’ve been appropriate
What I thought looking at the clock. Somewhere between 0.5 and 0.8. Shocked they didn’t add SOMETHING
Tatum has the ball and Horford is calling a timeout at 0.7. Definitely should be anywhere between 0.5-0.7.
Yeah I thought .8 is what they would do
No, like 0.5, it’s definitely not the full second but 0.5 still would’ve been significant enough.
OG hit one with that much time left
Yea, looks like .5/.6 to me
They also shaved .3 off the clock after the overturned 8 second violation. We should have had a full second to get a shot off, instead had to heave up a prayer. Bullshit
I was so confused by that is that what happened? It’s so strange a call that initially fucked over the Magic fucked over the Celtics, absurd sequence.
Just horrifically incompetent ref ball bullshit. They were so bad tonight, and not just bad, it looked like they flat out had no idea what they were doing. Frustrating way to lose a game
Ugh, downvoting for reminding me of this shit.
It was such an amazing series tho
Honestly, it really was.
The first timeout signal I see is .5. It’s hard to go any earlier than that. The timeout is awarded by the refs when the refs see the timeout. .3 is kind of reasonable.
Looked like 0.8
0.6 by the time he had possession
but he hadn’t called the timeout yet
Anyone can call it, and the whole team was doing it
You can only call timeout once you have possession.
Seems a bit convenient to start calling a timeout before you even get possession, so that the moment you get possession, you immediately get the timeout.
That’s how it always works
Mazzulla was yelling behind the ref to timeout as the ref was running away from him.
Well in this clip there is .5 seconds left and no referee has signaled the timeout so it’s under that.
0.5 seconds at most.
I said .7 watching it with my friends and most said .5 or .6. Ridiculous they did not review it.
.5 minimum
Paulo + Franz + Officials is a legit really good Big 3
The 2nd playoff game with a clock centerversey in 24 hours
I would not be pissed if it didn’t happen to my team. But damn it lol
First person i see signal a TO is Horford at 0.5
Mazulla has it immediately
Title is misleading
Timeout Called =/= Timeout Granted
Even by NBA standards this series is trash officiating.
The fact that a commentator had to ask the referees what they’re doing speaks volumes of this game
As a Celtics fan I don’t really see much time difference and don’t think it would’ve made much of a difference
Didn’t watch the game but are timeouts really awarded the tenth-of-a-second they’re signaled for? I know in the NFL a ref has to notice or be notified and call it for it to count.
I was wondering too. I assume it is when the ref signals, but then for things like reviewing out of bounds I think they set the clock to when the player was out.
Doubt it could be when the players signal, clock stops when the ref indicates not the players
That’s what I have always assumed- I checked Google and I don’t think there’s an official rule in place for it (at least not that I could easily find). I could see an argument made for both, but I don’t know enough to know how it’s typically called.
Congrats to the refs on their big win
No excuse really. Gotta play better and not let dirty Magic + random ref calls fuck you in the final minutes.
I would give them between 0.5 and 0.8 depending on when Tatum called the timeout. Coach should’ve stood near the refs in moments like this if he wants to call timeout fast.
Maybe I’m being a homer, but Horford got it at maybe 0.5. People saying this game was rigged because of 0.2 seconds and a 4 free throw differential are insane.
I don’t think anything was rigged. You guys played about as good of a game as you can possibly expect, and the Celtics got basically zero from KP/Pritchard/Hauser/Kornet…and it was a one possession game. Did the officiating suck? Oh yeah. But it wasn’t like it sucked blatantly in one direction.
I agree 100% I was really annoyed with how many whistles and stoppages there were. Killed the flow of the game so bad
Mazulla is calling it at 1 second
He doesn’t have full control of the ball at a second
lol when Tatum didn’t even have the ball yet…
The difference between 0.3 and 0.5 sec for a final shot is a big deal homeslice
woulda gave em 0.8
Do they ever give time back on TO calls?
I thougt it’s based on when your TO request is acknowledged and whistle is blown? Which usually lags behind when possession was actually established
What exact time do you think should be in the clock? The time stops when the timeout is awarded by the referee not when the coach starts calling one. Coaches call timeouts all the time, especially in loose balls that are never called or seen. So is your argument also those should be reviewed and given a timeout?
David Guthrie legacy game today
Boston played like shit tonight but this was bullshit and fucked our already slim chances of tying the game
Why is nba playoffs so horrible to watch this year ?? Adam sliver ???
Celtics players being on the opposite end of a missed call that might’ve won them the game?
Sounds like karma after all those delusional fans denying the Tatum slap to LeBron wrist was a foul in that one game.
Thought at least we’d have .7 or some shit, hoping for 1 second.
Nope, leave it at 0.3, the absolute bare minimum time for a shot
They wanted to go watch the Lakers play
The cope in here crazy, whiny as fuck. saying rigged as if Boston being healthy and constantly in the Finals wouldn’t be in the NBA’s best interest. Freethrow disparity for the series too but yeah man rigged.
As far as I’m concerned, it’s sweet karma after all the delusional Celtics fans were saying Tatum didn’t foul LeBron on that game winning layup attempt awhile back.
I thought the same but they’re tipping in anyway so the play would be the same
Elam ending
Celtics fans 😭😂
Can’t have a potential chance to go up 3-0
Is called the refs wanna go home already
This 7pm game ended at nearly 10pm lol
i see nothing wrong with this. it takes a split second for the ref to recognize and acknowledge the timeout. you can freeze frame it all you want.
Why the fuck did they not foul. The best case scenario was getting the ball back with what? 1 second.
Everyone serves the High Table…
Joe is jumping and screaming before Tatum even had the ball. It would’ve been 0.5 at most, not much of a difference….
Difference between .3 and .5 is the ability to catch and shoot
Enough for an actual shooting motion though
Bro you’re fucking crazy. That is a huge difference when they are inbounding from the front court trying to tie/win.