Evan Mobley contract extension goes up almost $50M after winning DPOY, Cavs now over second apron
Contract extension from last year switches from 25 to 30% of the cap after he won dpoy. Will have real impacts on Cavs cap management.
Source.
Well I’m glad the 2nd apron is there to keep these pesky big-spending franchises in large media markets like the Cleveland Cavaliers in check.
It’s pretty funny but also very annoying that the group teams that have been affected most by the second apron are the teams in massive markets like Denver, Minnesota, and now Cleveland.
Minnesota got screwed the most by it all IMO, given how the Rudy trade and KAT extension happened before the new CBA took effect and anyone really knew what was going on with the aprons.
On the flip side, it makes the Suns trading for Beal well after the CBA was approved all the more terrible a decision.
we did the KD trade like a week and a half before the new CBA was announced, and at that point we were going to be a 2nd apron team anyways so we figured we might as well just embrace it.
obviously, the beal trade didn’t work out but we kinda got screwed by the apron rules as well
Bruh, James Jones definitely knew well ahead of that the 2nd apron was gonna come into effect soon. Something like this would be in discussion for months, if not more than a year.
Nah man, collectively bargained changes to the financials are something the NBA loves to spring on its teams
For all of the teams that got fcked by the CBA, I think the Suns are the ones that did the most by themselves. That Beal trade was as asinine as the Westbrook trade we did.
That’s the KD classic considering the initial rising cap changes in 2012 after that CBA were what “made” OKC play hardball with Harden’s extension
The Beal trade was explicitly done because of the second apron is the wild part. The Suns were willing to spend into the second apron, realized it would be impossible for teams to trade their way into the second apron, so decided to make a trade before they were hampered as a way to have a perceived competitive advantage. They just chose disasterously in trading for Beal.
CJ McCollum is not allowed at any restaurants in North Loop, he’s not allowed to use the Greenway, he sure as shit can’t walk around the lakes (any of them).
Thanks CJ McCollum(I know it’s not really his fault)
No one could have predicted that designing salary cap rules entirely around punishing a team for maintaining a salary slot by trading for D’Angelo Russell would have negative impacts on other teams.
lol, I think the cheap owners didn’t want to be embarrassed by the Lacobs, and Ballmers – who actually want to win
no denver deserves all the shit they’re getting from the second apron lol no one asked them to hand out those insane contracts to everyone who was contributing on the team.
I mean they have two of the worst archtypes of players being guys who aren’t worth supermaxes but are just good enough to demand them from shitty teams.
The nuggets really couldn’t have let mpj/murray walk for nothing
What ‘archetype’ is MPJ?
Yes, he’s 6”11 and can shoot, but not remotely consistently and folds anytime a defence is remotely physical. You can succeed without that type of player.
I mean the upside of the player you just named is the exact archtype that nba teams are looking for. Long shooting wings are hella valuable and the nuggets couldn’t let porter walk for nothing
It’s one thing to let him go for nothing, it’s another to trade him for 1-2 pieces who have less upside but are way more consistent.
Jokic is the only player on the nuggets with a supermax. No one else meets the criteria.
I mean that’s kinda just how finals runs work. Gabe Vincent, Bruce Brown, KCP, Max Strus, Gary Payton, Otto Porter Jr. the list is huge. When you get to the finals your role players get oversized contracts.
Timofey Mosgov anyone?
I like Denver but can’t disagree with them not really being “punished for being too good” akin the other teams on that list. They just overpaid a bunch of players, which is exactly what the 2nd apron was aimed at punishing.
The wolves got extremely unlucky, finally getting a group worth paying a ton for, then getting all the contracts signed and preparing to up the contracts for the young guys soon, then the new cba just completely dismantled that as a viable model. Such a Minnesota sports thing to happen.
Wolves would have massive depth of talent the next few years if the cba hadn’t changed.
Now we’re gonna probably lose NAW, maybe Naz, or Divo. Just a huge bummer and it really puts pressure on developing TSJ, Clark, and Rob.
Aging Gobert, Kat, ANT, Naz, Naw, Jaden with Conley as a veteran player coach would have been so fun. Even swapping Kat with Randle/Divo. I’m sad we have to pick and choose cause the new owners said they were prepared to pay the tax. But the new rules hamstringing trades and free agents, plus the draft picks going to 30. It’s way worse than paying a lot of tax.
Same shit happened in hockey with the Wild after we signed Parise and Suter. Then were hamstrung with 10 year contracts which we couldnt build around. We’re finally getting out of that hole next year.
Don’t forget us!
The Nuggets have only been over the equivalent of the second apron once, in 2008, since the luxury tax was instituted. I was told they stayed under the second apron this year to maintain flexibility to bundle salaries at the deadline and so they could use the taxpayer MLE to sign Saric. They don’t play Saric and they didn’t make a trade at the deadline. The reality is, their philosophy has been to replace costly vets through the draft and they have never spent in the ways that the new CBA discourages. That may change now that they’ve fired Booth, but don’t act like the aprons have anything to do with their reticence to spend
And coming soon: Oklahoma City!
Meanwhile, right when LeBron is starting to show signs of aging, the Lakers have another generational superstar fall right into their laps.
You forgot the mighty massive market, Milwaukee Wisconsin !
Milwaukee traded Khris Middleton to get under the second apron, and now are stuck with Kyle Kuzma.
Don’t forget the powerhouse market of milwaukee
You will never convince me that there wasn’t league wide collusion to get Luka to the Lakers. The trade itself is bad enough by the Lakers are also getting Luka on a regular max and not a supermax. They have all the flexibility in the world thanks to Dallas messing with his money.
They can probably build an easy super team without hitting the luxury tax thanks to that one caveat.
Throw in Milwaukee too.
I dunno if that’s really a coincidence though. IMHO the apron rules and supermaxes ultimately punish success and make it super hard to keep teams together. And when teams are floundering, they start making questionable decisions, like trading KAT for Randle or trading Jrue for Dame.
All of that has downstream effects, though, too. If a player is too expensive for a team, they pass him on to the next, and then when that team is capped out, they’ve got even fewer suitors. There seems to be a serious disconnect between the contracts these guys earn and the apron rules.
well it’s their fault for drafting and developing their young talent
Yeah like supermax player Donovan Mitchell
and Jarrett Allen, home grown talent from Brooklyn, Cleveland, Ohio.
Lol. Not sure if you are aware or just a coincidence, but Brooklyn, Ohio, is actually a suburb of Cleveland (surrounded on 3 sides by Cleveland).
Cleveland is a weird team imo cause although it is obviously not a big market city, they have had superstars for 20+ years due to LeBron. Not really surprising imo. Those sexland years were the only ones when they truly didn’t have anyone
The sexland years are the only years? Bro did I imagine watching the Irving/Waiters/TT “big three”? Does Anthony Bennett only exist in my head?
Yeah I was confused about that period being omitted
<sad Kevin Love noises>
Injured and pouty unfortunately
20 years? They had plenty of FAs come in LeBron’s 2nd stint but they surely haven’t had superstars for 20 years, c’mon now lol
Their best player came via trade.
If they hadn’t traded for supermax Mitchell they wouldn’t be at the second apron.
For the record I am very in favor of teams being able to keep their drafted talent. There should be exceptions that allow you to keep drafted players no matter what they make.
if they were smart they would have skipped that part and gotten to the second apron by trading for a 30 year old Brad Beal with a NTC
That’s why I’m a hornets fan. We would never do something as stupid as developing young talent.
Pay attention to how the Warriors are treating Kuminga and how the Mavs traded Grimes away for nothing.
This is gonna happen more often.
Teams are going to treat their upcoming restricted free agents very strangely in order to minimize how much they will have to match to retain them.
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Smaller market NBA teams finally get parity after 50 years and they get decimated by the device invented to help them. It’s really unbelievable.
Money is money and there’s no helping that, but at least the amount of money over the regular max shouldn’t count towards the cap/apron. Otherwise signing your home grown talent can cripple you.
Not while they’re on the team that they qualified for the supermax on anyway. I wouldn’t object to the full amount counting if they are traded.
the cavs have always spent a lot of money, has nothing to do with being in a small media market
Spend like a drunken sailor when you’re a contender.
Penny pinch like a miser the rest of the time.
Cavs have always operated like that under Gilbert and the rest of the ownership group.
honestly a good strategy, why go over the tax you know you’re not a real contender.
Cavs ranked 9th in revenue last season, and 7th in revenue this season, according to CNBC.
This season they were 14th in payroll, according to basketball-reference, but next season they’re looking to be somewhere in the top 3.
IMHO, this amount of money flowing through non-LA/NY franchises is a really good thing.
And our owner is rich as hell anyhow. I think second only to balmer. He’s committed to spending on this team and nobody should worry about counting his billions for him.
I don’t think anyone cares about Dans money. The issue with the second apron is the roster building implications.m
The NBA has to be careful because this shit will encourage teams to try and screw their own players out of awards
Just like MLB teams do with rookies and manipulate how many games they play to manipulate years of service…
So lame. Dudes usually don’t take discounts to play in cities that aren’t LA so the second apron hurts a lot
Dudes aren’t lining up to take discounts in LA either though, this old narrative cracks me up because every offseason Lakers get roasted for signing bottom of the barrel role players like Jaxson Hayes and Cam Reddish.
Past few years are due to them being dumb with their money management and not retaining players like Caruso who was open to a discount so they’re unable to offer much more than minimum contracts. Not to mention LA usually gets prioritized by all FAs and can get a meeting with anyone
Its more that everybody uses LA as a leverage tool to get more money somewhere else. If there were actually guys willing to take discounts just to play here we wouldn’t need to sign bad contracts. Its a tactic to link every player to LA but none of them are actually coming here.
some additional context the piece doesnt mention is Mobley wouldve gotten the 30% cap raise if he made 2nd team all-NBA anyways, and Windhorst said on the pod today he probably will
if he only made 3rd team all-NBA, then it wouldve been a raise to 27.5% of the cap
so the DPOY supermax trigger is somewhat moot, bc he had such a good season
He is currently tracking 7th or 8th in public voting for all-NBA, and there is a steep drop-off from spots 9-10. He likely is on 2nd team.
idk, the spreadsheet has him in 9th place with 54 points, not that far above Cade (49) and Brunson (43).
First team does look pretty done though.
totally unrelated, but Jaren dropped to 16th, that injury really took him from All-NBA 2nd and DPOY odds on favorite to missing out on the supermax wow.
Doesn’t that put the Grizz in a bind?
Cause his deal is too cheap for him to sign a market-level extension off of it, so he probably becomes a free agent
well we’ve been saying that for the entire regular season that we want him to make it fir that exact reason. But this playoffs makes it looks like he’ll probably have to settle for a normal max.
You really wanted to pay him a supermax? I just can’t imagine he’s worth that.
He isnt , grizz fans just in denial, this is a huge franchise win…
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It’s crazy Trae has no 3rd team love there.
Correct. I think the conversation would be the same though about cap impact and team building. OKC headed for similar boat. And I know media members have also discussed how they don’t like their votes having this much impact. Nfl MVP votes don’t decide if a dude gets a 50 million raise or not for example
I agree that the nba allowing the structuring of contracts like this should be phased out.
Should be based on team or player success. Top 4 seed, win a playoff series, lead in FG%, etc etc. Whatever metric the FO feels is appropriate but isn’t contingent on voters.
Nah. Those stats based ones are far worse. There just aren’t great stats for that in NBA. Especially for a defensive guy.
Goodhart’s law: When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure
Changing the max allowed based on stats would just lead to ridiculous stat padding; good players staying in during garbage time just to collect rebounds and shit like that.
I think the only thing that should apply for increasing the max limit is a player’s length of tenure with a specific team
With the second apron, i don’t know that we even need a max any more. Just let teams decide how high to go. The maxes are basically just ways to minimize negotiations and ill will between players and teams.
Thats even worse. Making an all nba team is a much better indicator of success than cherry picked metrics
On one hand, I sympathize with a media member cause I’m sure they didn’t take the gig w the idea in mind that their votes could affect players salaries
On the other, idk how much sleep I’d lose over whether a guy makes \(225 mil vs \)270 mil
So the cavs are getting to the second apron anyway
Pretty much. We do have most of our important players signed away for a few years, and after we traded Levert and Niang for Hunter we’re actually back under the 1st apron for this season, so next season will be our first year in the 2nd apron
Jerome is the big wild card
He is, though if we lose him and Merrill we still have Hunter, Wade and Okoro as bench guys which is still a pretty solid bench
which is still a pretty solid bench
so freaking jealous
Don’t forget CPJ. That’s still as good of a 5-9 as anyone. But damn I hope we can keep Ty and Sam
Yeah that’s such an underrated part of the Hunter deal. You turned two contracts into one slightly less expensive one to get under the apron this year and avoid the repeater penalties. Cavs were clearly headed into the second apron anyhow this offseason, but that deal staved off being a repeat Tax team for a year.
Ok that is not too bad
Interesting. I wasn’t aware 3rd team took less cap. Is that based on his specific contract? Halliburton got 3rd team and went to 30%
Yes, it’s contract-dependent. The CBA stipulations just say “All-NBA,” so a team could offer the full 30% (or 35%) for a third team nod, or they could offer tiers like this. IIRC Pascal Siakam’s rookie extension with Toronto was similar, he got 27% for 3rd team, 28% for 2nd team and 30% for 1st team/MVP/DPOY. He ended up getting 2nd team so got 28% as his starting extension $.
The extra money for winning these awards should not count against the cap. Teams should not be in a position where it’s better for them teambuilding-wise for their player to not win an award.
Yeah, there should be provisions that allow for players to earn more money if they stay with the team that drafted them or at least the team with their bird rights without screwing over the cap.
Let’s talk about bird law for a second here
Filibuster
The forms are all standard boiler plate
Bird law in this country is not governed by reason!
Eggsactly. Teams should be able to crow talent without any egrets.
Or has x years of consecutive playing for that team.
Rewarded for company loyalty? Yeah right
5th year comes with free buffet
Shhh, don’t tell Luka.
Yepp, they should count for the 25%against the cap but the actual cash value of the contract is 30%. It rewards players for achieving these awards and rewards teams that draft/acquire and develop talent.
And playing.
Me getting upset every time a player like Luka or Embiid got injured cuz it made Jdub more likely to sneak into all nba
I think harden gets 3rd team over him
I hope so lol, but he will prob make it next year
It’s wild that the cap rules makes me root against one of my favorite players
Nah, JDub doesn’t make All-NBA in a remotely healthy league now that positions are gone. Dude is good, but he ain’t a top 20 player. And that takes into account 25% of that group playing too few games to qualify next season.
You probably right but his point against rooting against one of his favourite players is true
It’s clearly an issue in the nba
Well, players also don’t have to take the max. But they do and this can be the result.
And this is with Allen making only $20 million.
it sets a bad precedent for players if someone takes a contract under market value, GMs will start pointing to the situation as to why they’re lowballing contracts
Players should absolutely take whatever they can leverage. Are other workers expected to take less than their proposed wage to help the multi billion company they are joining make more money?
I don’t make $20mil/year.
While I agree that who gives a fuck about the pocketbook of the owners. The reality is that taking every dollar you can is directly against winning as many championships as possible.
Actors have been known to negotiate in favor of their co-stars in sitcoms if you want another example of the ultra-rich level of money making pushing for others/equal contracts.
People have been saying this for years but I doubt it’ll happen. I imagine that owners have the mindset of “If I have to pay the players, I want as level of a playing field as possible”
I think it’s more of a recent change toward reigning in superteams. It’s all fun and games for the owners until someone else loopholes their way into the KD Warriors. Then suddenly 29 owners think the current rules aren’t really all that fair after all.
If you can sign a unanimous MVP and game breaking top 10 player ever in his prime to a massively undervalued contract for 3 finals runs, 2 titles, and 2 MVPs before they finally cash in - the 2nd apron won’t do shit to stop you from assembling the new “KD Warriors”.
Yeah this was put into place cause the other owners hated that the warriors went way over the cap to win the 4th title without KD. Too bad they didn’t think about what would happen when they got good too lol
The CBA before this one did that anyway!
The KD warriors happened because the cap spiked all in one year instead of going up gradually
This is a really good idea and it’s a shame it’s not in practice.
The problem with that is it just means that perennial All-Stars would sign for the minimum and have max level extra money for winning these awards. Offset it with a bonus clause if minimum games to be eligible for awards weren’t played, and it’s a gimmie for those top players. You could avoid the cap entirely and have a team of superstars.
NBA teams do all sorts of weird things to get around the cap rules. Like how the Knicks traded last year for Petteri Koponen, who was drafted 17 years prior and coaches in Summer League and Europe now.
This new CBA is complete garbage
Adding the second apron without adjusting the supermax rule was just a huge oversight by the owners.
You mean by the players association, they’re the ones getting payed less because of the apron.
The big stars really screwed the vet type guys. Teams have less and less vets now and all rookie contracts guys on deep bench.
Guys getting pushed out of league sooner than ever now
It’s so top heavy now with 3 players making 75% of the cap while the rest fight for the remaining 25% assuming the team isn’t spending luxury tax
And 2nd round picks getting 3 year gurantees really pushes vets out. Only so many roster spots.
well the players association is still mostly low-end starters/bench dudes by the #s. Stars didn’t get a concession for the apron, but the PA got changes for the other players. Salary floor required by start of the season instead of end, MLE increase, etc.
I mean they all have lawyers explaining things in depth to them no doubt, it’s not like these players themselves are combing over every detail
yeah ofc - just saying that the goal of the CBA is to help the 90% of players, not the top 10% that are stars. So it’s not surprising that they don’t work for extra super-max improvements necessarily.
The owners get to spend less and point at the 2nd apron as to why. They are more than happy.
That’s one of the biggest misconceptions about the CBA. The owners don’t actually spend less - players in aggregate will always get 51% of basketball related revenue. The contracts just change the distribution of that revenue between players. If theoretically everyone signed for the minimum, then everyone would be paid exactly the same but for a dollar amount that’s actually much higher than the minimum (technically there’s not one single minimum and it depends on years of service, but I’m simplifying here to make a point).
CJ McCollum will not see heaven
The extra $ he earned has been in the extension tho
It takes time to adjust to new cap rules. Teams are getting screwed because of decisions made prior to the new CBA, but we’ve only had 2 offseasons so far
I’m not saying it doesn’t suck, but the true impact won’t be seen for another year or two, once most of the big prior contracts are off the books
Welcome to the Pistons Evan Mobley. I know you will make the right decision.
Jarrett Allen is the real casualty here
I think it’s most likely Deandre Hunter
More like Merrill and Okoro. Hunter is signed through 2027
I forgot Merrill is on his last year of his contract. I’d love to keep him and Jerome but probably unlikely.
What about Ty Jerome? I thought he was a free agent this summer. With his amazing play this year I bet he’s doing a huge pay increase.
I think one of the most interesting “what-ifs” of the last 5-10 years is what if the rockets took Mobley instead of Green.
Mobley was the consensus number 2 guy behind Cade and then green third, but the rockets said publicly that they loved green more.
A Sengun-Mobley front court would’ve been gnarly. And tbh, we probably don’t trade for Mitchell if we draft Green
Rockets did ask Mobley for private workout. Mobley thought Rockets already make the decision to take Green, so he rejected.
I remember reading his dad discouraged him from working out with the Rockets since they had Kevin Porter Jr.. Said he was such a terrible teammate/person and that he didn’t want his son at an organization that didn’t care about character. Something like that.
Yup, Mobley’s dad coached him at USC and there was an (I think still undisclosed?) incident that happened there that caused KPJ to slip down the draft boards, so I think he knew what happened and didn’t want his son anywhere near it
That was a huge storyline to that draft process that flew way under the radar with hindsight. Hearing about the “coaches son” mentality and work ethic cliche for Mobley was weird at the time but that has clearly been established now. There was more to it all along.
KPJ will always be one of those cult “what could’ve been” type of players (IMO). This ripple effect involving Eric Mobley def had a lasting impact.
This era is gonna make Bron look so good in the all time debates. Winning 6 rings as the best player is gonna be virtually impossible without obscene luck
Yeah this is really the dynasty killer
Winning 6 rings already requires obscene luck but now it’s just about impossible because you can’t keep the team together
Sure but LBJ did it with three different teams. I think a player can still win multiple rings, just not on the same team, a la Curry or MJ.
Ya, that’s the new formula. Deplete a team of their assets, win a ring, and then do it again with the next team.
Yeah staying the same team requires more luck because you need to have the right teammates and coach come to you versus making your own luck and changing teams
Having Pippen locked up for dirt cheap for a decade and fitting KD into a finals team are such anomalies
People forget that Bulls dynasty was built on cap advantages because Pippen took a huge discount.
OKC’s up next. The new CBA makes it so that paying your homegrown players what they’ve earned if/when they’ve developed into an elite player is no longer just an owner’s choice of whether or not they’re willing to pay the tax. Instead, they’ve turned it into a Sophie’s choice:
A. Invest in a player you’ve drafted and developed and reward said player but in doing so put the team as a whole in an untenable situation wherein they’ll become incapable of fielding a complete team that makes them able to compete for championships because the financial wiggle room no longer exists to fill out the bench with serviceable depth (see the Suns the last couple years and sort of Bucks & Nuggets now, but definitely Bucks & Nuggets going forward).
or
B. Let go of a top end talent that you invested years into developing and is vital to your team’s success in order to, in theory, give the front office the ability to put together a fully functional roster, even if said fully functional roster isn’t as strong as it would have been if they were able to hold onto their homegrown talent.
You’re damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
The second apron and new cba aims to get a different champion every year if the winner doesn’t pay luxury tax.
There’s an option C which is to outsource the tank to other teams, find one franchise guy and then churn the supporting cast. They eventually won’t be able to pay everyone and even if they could they wouldn’t have enough roster spots with all the picks they have.
If they don’t believe in J Dub they can always trade him for a haul and use that to consolidate players and picks or keep the ball rolling and keep acquiring players on rookie deals. The Apron will put teams who don’t have guys on rookie deals at a disadvantage when they try to assemble talent.
It’s like the same situation in the NFL where teams go all in once they’ve identified their rookie QB is the one. They get all the pieces while they’re still cheap so they can lock up the core and then pay the QB when the time comes.
Paying the players you drafted shouldn’t send you over the cap.
I agree that something like this should be done.
You should get a discount for players that you draft and develop.
2nd apron is so stupid
If I was a Cavs fan I would have been cheering so hard for Mobley not to win DPOY. The second apron is such a killer.
He was probably getting bumped up over it for making 2nd team anyways
He was going to make all NBA anyway, and get the same contract escalator.
Our owner has shown he is completely willing to pay extra for the team, I’m not worried
Feels like you guys will go hard for the next 2-3 years and then you’ll have to make some hard decisions. Not unlike OKC.
Nahh. Cavs are a second apron team regardless unless they decide to trade away any of the core pieces. All this really changes is making the owners have to pay bigger luxury taxes once the repeater penalties kick in.
They knew this was coming, that’s part of why they traded for Hunter. It brought them under the tax line this season, so they can push the repeater penalties back one more year.
there are many people here not so subtly rooting for the Cavs to fall apart in a year but that just feels really unlikely.
outside of Ballmer there’s no owner in the league more willing to splurge on a team that he thinks has a chance than Gilbert. if there’s any roster casualty to come in the next year it’s more likely someone like Okoro/Merrill than someone like Jarrett Allen
Edit: also Ty Jerome is not a guaranteed goner. a lot of people have said this already but the 105% rule from Early Bird rights and the likely FA landscape make it pretty likely the Cavs are at or near the top of where he’ll be for the foreseeable future.
It’ll come down to what you’re allowed to spend, as opposed to what you’re willing to spend. At least, that’s what happened to NY losing Hartenstein. I haven’t looked into what the market for Ty Jerome will be though, so who knows.
Bobby Marks says Cavs can offer about 14.3 million for the first year, which is higher than the non-tax MLE. Currently, only the Nets and Pistons will have that much cap space, and I anticipate the Pistons are looking for a major trade rather than overpaying Ty Jerome. It’s about a 75% chance he comes back to Cleveland (the contender who can offer him more money than other contenders), 25% chance Brooklyn way overpays and he feels like he can’t turn it down.
SMH, Kevin Martin was right all along
Dan Gilbert gives zero fucks
I don’t know what this means. You mean the money? The whole point of teams avoiding the second apron is how restrictive it is… there’s a lot more than just luxury tax going on.
The core is locked up for years and has been under the tax. It’s potentially 3 years away from that becoming an issue. By that time we will have either rotated out the middle & bottom of the roster or we will see our core taking up a smaller percentage of the cap. I wouldn’t be worried about flexibility or financial ramifications of the tax.
Who would have thought… cleveland is made of money and will pay all their players, this should be great to see
Congratulations, but also fuck you -Adam Silver<3
Pretty beautiful that the 2nd apron will end up breaking up like 4 small market contenders all cause the league was terrified of the clippers and warriors
This is so stupid, bonuses should not count against the cap. Situations like this should be why there’s a clear need to restructure it. You are penalizing the team for a player’s success.
This is so true. Ruins team building
this is really Clevelands best chance to win the ring. They cant bring back Ty Jerome next year, I dont even know if they can re-sign Deandre Hunter
Hunter is under contract for the next two years. Jerome and Merrill are the only FA of note. Jerome will come down to whether someone wants to offer him more than the ~$14M/year that the Cavs can offer.
someone’s going to throw jerome a bag i think
He’s 27, has done this one year and has a long injury history, in just not sure who’s giving him starter money.
Magic are pretty desperate for some shooting… I’m not sure if we can afford it, but I would easily pay him that
The Magic will have to do their work through trade and the Cavs can’t do a signed and trade.
That 14 million would be astronomically expensive for ownership with you being that far above the luxury tax. Like 70 million or something like that, and that number would be even worse the year after. It would absolutely shock me if the Cavs kept Jerome as it would mean making this one of the most expensive teams ever.
Dan Gilbert probably is one of the owners crazy enough to do it so I could see it
Gilbert has been known to be very comfortable spending money to have a competitive team. Not saying it’s a guarantee it happens, but he truly might be willing to put up the money if it gives us a shot at a championship.
Gilbert is actually the 2nd richest NBA owner and has been on record that’s he’s fine spending like crazy when they’re in championship contention (e.g. the LeBron years). What I’m more concerned about is how restrictive things are with regard to trades and stuff. They also lost most of their draft capital getting Mitchell, so they won’t have the young, cheaper talent coming in.
Gilbert was willing to spend big when he was “merely” a multi-billionaire during the LeBron era. Since then, he’s become one of the wealthiest people on earth. He’s not gonna let 70m stand in the way of 2 more years of contention.
And even then, is he going somewhere else for 4⁄70 if the Cavs can offer 4⁄60? Naz Reid reportedly took a bigger pay cut than that to stay.
This doesn’t affect our ability to resign Ty Jerome since we have early bird rights. He’d be getting what we can give him regardless. And Hunter is signed through the 2026-2027 season, as are almost all of our major contributors
fuck me the Cavs are actually set for a couple years then
We are going to be paying a fuckload in luxury tax in a few years, but Dan Gilbert is also one of the wealthiest owners in the league. We have a least a few seasons before we have to make any serious changes assuming Dan’s fine with footing the bill
As much it pissed me off how Gilbert handled the decision aftermath, he’s always been willing to spend. He paid hella luxury tax as well to lebrons’s friends when he came back.
I also think he’s definitely scaled back after that in terms of meddling in team affairs and such. When LeBron came back, he really let the FO do what was best and just signed the checks and gotta give him huge props
Once Don signed his extension, they extended everyone they could. It was a bit of a gamble, but they must have really had faith that Kenny could get a lot more out of the group.
Welcome to the not fun part of building a great team. You’re next, OKC!
Cavs spending big on Draymond propaganda didn’t work
Yeah it really hurts the checks notes large market team that is Cleveland. Awards shouldn’t count towards the cap. Either that or the supermax is only a percentage.
If Cavs at least win the east, they should just stay there and run it back for a year. My understanding is the most severe penalties don’t kick in unless being above the 2nd apron for consecutive seasons
Damn, Cavs suffering because Wemby got hurt is crazy
Does this screw them from resigning Ty Jerome?
Y’all want parity but don’t actually want parity
The award and bonus seems to penalize teams with good players as far as salary caps go.