[Charania] Dallas Mavericks center Dereck Lively II has sustained a small fracture in his foot and is expected to miss 2-to-3 months, sources tell ESPN. Critical loss for the Mavs.
Crazy how some teams just get hit with injuries nonstop. You hate to see it
Kill me
Better now then before post season.
Gotta make it there. Would be some sick shit if Dallas is a lottery team and the get Cooper Flagg to pair with Luka and Kyrie
Leaking the script is strictly prohibited. Do you want me to wake David?
Mavericks aren’t allowed to draft him, not euro.
This would require the mavs moving up in the lottery. History tells me the odds of that happening are… precisely 0.00%
There isn’t even a .00001% change of that happening, unfortunately. Mavs have never moved up once in the history of the lottery
Are you currently on the Mavericks, Sixers, or Pelicans? If so, the odds are in your favor.
Grizzlies also, like every year
Just ‘cause Paolo just came back, we’re just gonna ignore the Magic?
Big oversight by me.
Send addy
Hold me now
I’m six feet from the edge and I’m thinking
Maybe six feet ain’t so far down
We got to witness the Luka/Kyrie/Klay/PJ/Lively lineup for 119 mins this season
Second highest net rating in the NBA of any 5-man group with 100+ minutes played together. And that was with Luka’s terrible start to the year.
Torture.
Plus side, good year to have a higher pick. Not that Dallas will tank but they can regroup this summer.
That’s how they got Lively in the first place
i mean we’ve certainly been doing some involuntary tanking and it’s bound to look worse at least until we get Luka back. at this point they might just hold him off a bit more
That lineup looked unstoppable. You think y’all will make a trade for center now I guess?
No, dwight is inevitable
Yea, once he also recovers from injury.
And hurt too.
Yeah, I’m guessing we do. Our biggest need was already a third big man, followed by a perimeter defender on the wing.
Kleber is too injury prone. Powell sucks. With just Gafford now, it’s even more crucial to get another big (unless they opt to mail in the rest of the season, which I don’t see happening as long as Luka is back in the next month).
I can hear the Pelicans screaming from the mountaintop
when one player gets injured, the other players have to play more minutes as a result, leading to more injuries, etc.
At least in Lively’s case I’m not sure that he saw a significant minute increase when Gafford was out. We did a lot of small ball with PJ and Maxi.
gulp
Thibs strategy of destroying players before playoffs is interesting
his minutes definitely did not increase due to other players getting hurt. He’s been averaging the same amount of minutes(25~26) all year. Source: have him in fantasy and was hoping he would get more clock but nope
Lively was playing the same minutes for the most part. He’s a thin 7 footer that can’t stay healthy.
Lively can’t stay healthy because he’s too thin, Zion can’t stay healthy because he’s too thick. The world is unfair
It’s a cruel world
Pelicans, Sixers, Warriors, now Dallas? It’s rough out there this season.
Edit: forgot to include Memphis and Orlando.
Have you seen the Magic’s injury report? It’s been a brutal year.
Oops! All obliques
I keep forgetting about the zombie Magic cause they keep winning regardless of who’s out there.
They’re like 4-12 currently I’m pretty sure
It’s been really hard without Suggs. Paolo and Franz are our best players, but he is the engine of the team.
Magic were winning more when they were more injured it felt like lol.
Take a look at the report again lol
Fair enough, it’s a big oof. Even teams that aren’t seen as “injury plagued” have had a ton of injuries. The Hawks have had Jalen, hunter, bogi, onkongwu, and Larry nance jr miss a ton of time, not to mention our first round pick from last year is out for the season.
Forgetting Memphis who are still leading in games missed due to injury
Don’t forget the Hornets!
I always forget about the Hornets…
When it rains it pours
At the start of the season we lost Jackson (backup center), Wiseman (backup center), Nesmith (sprained ankle), Nembhard (forget what), and Shepherd to injury. Turner, McConnel, and Haliburton also all had a few games missed in that span.
Mostly mediocre roleplayers, but 5 people who would be in the rotation down, all at the 2 or 5 position really stressed things. Having 6 or 7 guys on the injury report each game, 5 of whom would definitely be out, was dismal.
We gonna be the scariest 10th seed lol
Imagine OKC reward for being the first seed is a fully healthy mavs in the first round
PJ Washington licking his lips
Oh god, anything but MJ washington. I still have nightmares about him dropping 30 on us in the playoffs
MJ lol
I honestly see OKC or denver coming out of the west though, westbrook has been huge for denver and hartenstein for you guys. Our klay addition hasn’t been as big of an impact as yalls
Y’all haven’t had a healthy luka basically all year. Hard to gauge klays impact
Bro have some faith in your own team cmon now
You say it jokingly but we have Dort Caruso dub and Caso for Kyrie and Luka so I really don’t fear them as much as PJ Washington
Pj Washington has lead the Mavs in scoring 5 of the last 8 times we’ve played
Bro averages like 9 on the year but like 25 vs us
I feel like we’re gonna have to play them regardless. It’s destiny at this point.
One of the hidden parts of the Clipper Trade is that we swap who faces the Mavs in the playoffs.
Not if den draws dallas. Den wins imo.
That entire series literally depends on Jamal Murray lmao
Could say that about any of our playoff matchups lol
we got super lucky dodging denver last year, i think thats the only reason we made it to finals
that’s the last team in the west OKC wants to see too
heat-bucks repeat would kill me
That would be absolute cinema….PJ Washington and his sidekick Luka beating up Okc at their home court
We Believe Mavs
All the OKC injuries dropping them from the 1 seed to the 1 seed has been interesting all year (with Chet, iHart, Caruso, and productive bench players like Ajay Mitchell and J-Will all missing time)
Maybe a fully healthy OKC team by year’s end is the Mavs reward for not being a higher seed
People forget we haven’t even seen Hartenstein and Chet both healthy at the same time on the court. We’re not at our ceiling and we’re still kicking ass.
The Thunder are 30-3 with IHart and Chet playing at least 10 minutes.
5-4 without them (the Mavs 2 wins are both in here, and of the 2 didn’t have Shai, granted neither of the wins had Luka either)
no way ur flexing ajay mitchell for a potential playoff matchup
sorry to disappoint you, but ajay has been an effective playmaker in non-shai lineups.. but he’s had turf toe surgery and may not make it back in time for the playoffs.
Ajay would absolutely get playoff minutes for us if he’s healthy. He’s effectively the backup pg for us and was playing awesome for a second round rook before he got hurt
I would literally reach valhalla if that happened
Okc beats them in 5
That’s not happening without Lively. That drastically changes our defense and rebounding.
You don’t think you can make the 10 seed?
Depends on how much long Luka is out for. If he’s back soon, maybe we can keep up with the top 10, but if he is out til all-star break, I don’t think so.
Just have to stay above the warriors and spurs, both of which are not very good teams. We can definitely make it if Luka comes back and we reel off some wins
Is Gafford that much worse than Lively already? I haven’t been following y’all that closely.
The way I see it is that Gafford is the better offensive center and Lively is the better defensive center. They both have their pros and cons.
Gafford is the better finisher for sure. Lively is better on offense in terms of his passing and rebounding, though.
Fair enough. Appreciate you sharing your perspective.
Lively is good in the short roll and can pass pretty well. Gafford is not.
Gafford is also a much better offensive threat around the rim as opposed to Lively due to his ability to bully people inside.
I agree. We really have/had the best center rotation :(
Don’t go disrespecting the longest tenured Mavs like that! /s
For non-Mavs fans, I’m talking about Dwight Powell
DP forever.
Defensively yes. Gafford is a good shot blocker, but Lively just raises our defense so much. He is a better rebounder. Gafford is better scoring, but Lively’s decision making is so important cause he is a better passer and really helps more when Luka is doubled than Gafford. Plus not to mention the fall off from Gafford as the backup to Maxi at the 5 or Powell.
Lively’s perimeter switch ability is another big difference from Gafford.
He’s not but the strength is when we can rotate them so they don’t get worn out as quickly. We may have to play Dwight Powell now some which is a massive drop off from either guy
Just my take watchiny a ciuple games and reading bball referance, but lively is def better.
HEY THAT 10TH AND 9TH SEED ARE RESERVED FOR WARRIORS AND THE LAKERS ONLY. everyone knows the real champs are the play in champs.
you guys might missed the play in.
In the pooper for Cooper
Unfortunately they are still way to talented to have a reasonable shot at the #1 pick even if they fall out out the play-in
We have never moved up due to the lottery so we are overdue!
If Luka doesn’t return very soon we most definitely will.
Is there a timetable for his return? Was really hoping he’d be back for our game Saturday
No shot he’s back by Saturday he hasn’t even been reevaluated yet. That should probably happen by the end of the month.
Most likely will be post ASB if we’re lucky maybe a couple games before the break.
He won’t be back Saturday I can assure you. Originally they said he’d be evaluated after 30 days, which is Friday. My guess is maybe two weeks after that on the optimistic side. Maybe right after the Celtics game for the rockets game February 8th. Gives Luka 4 games to play before the all star break, although I can see a scenario where he doesn’t play until after the break to get extra time to rest/heal. Problem is season could be over by then. Mavs have to find a way to scrap wins to stay close in the race, but the issue is everyone else is banged up as well lol.
I think we’re looking at a week or two from now
He was supposed to be getting re-evaluated a month after his injury, which is around now. But I don’t think anybody’s given a definitive timetable for a return yet
Get a small chance at Flagg then I guess
We won’t even be the 10th seed with Lively now out for the regular season
Fuck this season man wtf.
Luka: Reoccurring calf strains since preseason
Kyrie: Bulging discs in his back
Lively: Foot fractures
Our best 3 players are hurt, as a team with low assets we should tank and make the best of this season. It would be a beneficial year if we could land a good rookie deal player.
If we tank and get the #1 pick we should take Shadeur Sanders
Will you have him play both offense and defense?
It’s too risky to play him on both. Maybe only in certain packages.
Is everyone here confusing Shadeur with Travis Hunter or what?
They are making jokes
If the comment you responded to referenced Travis Hunter your joke might have landed.
Or the point of their joke was to be purposefully dumb as was the point of the first one
I think Kyrie is actually the most tricky. Disc issues are very slow to heal/regress and can go into full blown herniations with one wrong move. Just see Ben Simmons…
Probably the 3 worst injury situations I can think of that I don’t wanna fuck with or rush lol
Yeah, none of the 3 injuries are very promising, which is a pity. Despite some toxic talk from some fans by both sides, I thoroughly enjoy Thunder vs Mavs matchups in full health. With so many guys sitting both sides, it loses some of the magic. Thunder will still be missing Chet, Hart, Ajay and maybe JDub tomorrow…
Oh dude I hate y’alls guts (it’s the best current rivalry in the NBA and toxicity makes sports fun)
Yep. Nice when two good teams go at each other throats like this :D Makes the games matter more, even regular season ones… in the playoffs I was and will be glued to my seat, sweating all over…
Achilles for Luka would be worse and not out of the realm of his current injury. Knock on wood.
Seeing that makes me think he could retire in a year or 2. Granted there is so much more you can do for bulging discs than ever before. I remember when CP3 was having Hamstring issues, and KD tore his Achilles there was a lot of precedent for these things be something you can’t come back from.
Both of them are now having great seasons for their age, YEARS later. Also little known fact but since 2015 it’s mandatory that HS and college gyms have NSCA certified trainers in their gyms. You cant just have some players dad run the weightlifting anymore. Underrated reason why there are way more great position specialized athletes that are super athletic coming into all leagues. Basketball also quietly doesn’t really drug test athletes. You can literally not answer the door for a drug tester and as long as you either answer in an hour from when they appear or you go to the league directly in the weeks after, theyll accept your drug test lol. Or players just disappear immediately after the last game and go off the grid for a few months. It’s in the CBA lol.
Yep. The risk here is that the bulge increases and then it could start touching/compromising the sciatic nerve… pretty sure Dallas medical is on top of that, but for sure it’s tricky to play around it… I imagine Kyrie has been having lumbar MRIs every week or so…
That last paragraph you said can be applied to my team, too. The coincidence for that to happen in the same season to 2 separate teams.
It’s impossible to CAPTURE how annoying this year has gone with all of THE injuries, sometimes it’s hard to FLAGG when years like this will happen
It worked out great last time, and the Mavs are only 1.5 games up on 11th in the west anyway
You are joking right. Even with this set back the Mavs are the only team that has a largeish chance at the finals, Luka will be back, lively will be back as long as the Mavs are in the playin they will be contenders.
I know the west is rough but even if the Mavs tank they will get like the 8th/9th pick at best
Where if they try to make the playin and miss they get the 11th/12th pick which isn’t a huge difference
And they could you know just make the playoffs cuz they a good team ya know
Do NBA contracts for top guys like Luca and Kyrie have a lot of financial incentives that require them to play to get “bonuses”?
As an example, if Luca was to get injured on Day 1 of a season and miss the whole thing while he was on a \(50m contract. Are there many contracts around the league that mean that the most he would be able to make while sitting out was \)40m or \(45m? Or do these guys get the whole \)50m?
It depends on the team and whether on the fact the money offered was guaranteed or not.
Luka is on a totally guaranteed contract so he makes the full $50M
The NFL version is likely gets added to the cap right away and the team is credited that cap back the next year if the player misses it, while unlikely are only added to the cap the next year if the player hits it. I’d be shocked if the NBA does it differently.
Kinda like the 49ers, finals run did damage
Gafford is now untouchable
Those trade rumors lasted for a whole 3 days lol.
Not if we wanna tank lmaoo
Dread from it. Run from it. Dwight Powell at C is inevitable.
Play-in teams better watch out. We coming for you.
Ha, jokes on you, we’ll just take the 11th seed, and you can’t hurt us, nerd.
5D chess move
Terrible season for the Mavs after making the finals. Hard to imagine this type of follow up season. The only positive thing is that the team could make run if healthy
Both WCF teams currently having really rough follow up seasons
The Mavs are like the Butler Heat though; pretty ordinary in the regular season, but absolutely masterful at winning playoff series without home court advantage.
This new iteration of the mavs should be a high seeded team tbf. Their regular season net rating from last years trade deadline to when luka went down must be pretty good.
Before Luka got hurt Luka-Kyrie-Klay-PJ-Lively was the #1 net rating 5 man :(
should be a high seeded team tbf
Well we would be if not for all the major injuries.
We started the season on fire before getting obliterated by injuries.
Didn’t you start the season 5-6 or something before catching fire?
Are they? I feel like they were mid af until they made the trades mid season, and we’re a juggernaut from then on. And this season they’re just suffering from injuries and a slow Luka start, they even played very well without him for a stretch.
Mavs literally having season from hell with injuries
First it was Memphis, then New Orleans, now Dallas… the Spurs better bubble wrap Wemby and Castle
Here’s hoping it hits the Red team first
Orlando missing in there somewhere.
Man I feel bad for the mavs. Its been brutal
Last flair I expected to say this. He’s to your fanbase what PJ Washington is to the Thunder fanbase.
Nah I respect and like good basketball players and teams even if they are whoopin my teams ass lol
Minnesota fans are so reasonable people. There is always shit talking in the playoffs, but you guys feel like an exception. I have respect for your fanbase.
We’ve been a dumpster fire of a franchise every year except for maybe 4 years of our existence?
Speaking for myself we can only talk so much shit lol
Every time I deal with Minnesota fans, you have me considering moving out of expensive California and into the frozen tundra of Minneapolis. beautiful city in the summer tho
Seriously I love your fan base.
Oklahoma City, welcome back to the NBA Finals
I mean, he’ll be back no?
Yeah, provided no setbacks he’ll be back by March/April. But it just sucks this pretty much tanks any chance for a top 4 seed.
Yeah chances were already really slim and now oof .
Top 6 seed is out most likely, if they play well 7 or 8
Honestly i still think you guys can make a top 6 seed? A lot is dependent on Luka’s return timeline but feel like one good 10 game stretch can get you there.
Seeds five through ten are all pretty close.
Late April halfway through round 1 at the earliest probably. If we even make the playoffs I’d imagine the series is nearly over by the time he returns. Can’t imagine us being overly competitive against a high seed without him.
*Denver Nuggets
I picked OKC to win the Finals in the offseason but we are slowly getting our shit together. I hope we get a WCF between both teams
That would be a great series.
I was looking for Mavs Thunder in the wcf, but now nuggets Thunder is growing on me… It would be fun
🙂this is fine
Well, that about does it for the 2024-25 season. RIP! Take your time Luka.
End us now. wtf man, we have such a good roster and it’s just a season of injuries from hell.
Ight Imma Head Out
Well this is a hell season for them.
Yeah season’s over
Cooper Flagg in Dallas would slap
U underestimate how bad the bad teams have been
Im kidding mostly, however, its not impossible that Dallas falls back into the lotto where they could pick up a piece that could really help them.
The draft is pretty deep, but honestly u can get solid pieces even without the lottery McCain, Ware, Wells, and even knecht have been good pieces
Man I feel bad for Dallas fans man
Lively is a huge part of their team. This is disastrous for them
This is the season from hell for the Mavs
Good thing they have Gafford
Now the Mavs will not trade Gafford anytime soon.
God what a season from hell.
I was told Shams tweets were literally nazi propaganda
shhh. just close your eyes. It will all be over soon.
Season out of hell. Mavs maybe can limp to a playin spot or 6 seed if Luka gets back soon but this team can’t compete for a title even if everyone else is healthy if Lively is out. He is crucial for defense and offense.
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Dallas really gonna knock out okc in round 1 huh
From your lips to God’s ears.
THE FIRST EVER TEN SEED TO WIN THE NBA FINALS LETS GO BABY
And the team was entertaining trading Gafford
I don’t think they were ever truly gonna trade him
Just putting feelers out if someone wanted to drop a really solid wing guy in exchange for him
Now anymore lol. If he goes down we’re genuinely fucked. This is the luxury of having 2 competent centers instead of just one. For when situations like this arise.
Mavs, Magic and Pels fighting for most injured team award
I would suggest Timelord be a decent trade target for the Mavericks now but I am concerned with their injury luck he would literally explode on the court.
Bro what the fuck is happening to the Mavs.
Shut it down let’s go home.
It will be so dumb if posts like these are not allowed because of some political zealotry. Reddit is already democratic. People are free to downvote content they don’t like, keep it like that.
Mavs sub is on suicide watch. Mods there will not even allow other posts at this time, so that the entire sub can just wallow in misery.
That’s so cool. I love when my favorite sports team gets obliterated by injuries. :)
Pain
We’ll get em next season, boys! I’m not crying you’re crying.